Rule Revamp Completion!

[Zeich Yajuu]

First off, I want to say... WOOHOO, THE REVAMPS ARE FINISHED. That took way too long. x.x

Anyway! This is only the first phase of the rule revamps. Now that the rules have been redone and clarified, that doesn't mean they are all there! Over time, there have been a lot of "unwritten rules" that have come into play, little things that have been forgotten or not written down because they're known off-hand. I personally do not know many of these, as they tend to be individual rulings.

So what do we do? Simple. Post any "unwritten" rules here, or rules that might have been overlooked. I will confirm them as they are recorded, and if they are legitimate rules, they will be added into the Amendments to be edited into the proper spots later when I have the time to figure out where they go.

Below, I will also make a list of rules that have been confirmed as legitimate or not; please do not add ones that have already been asked about!


CONFIRMED RULES

• Status effects such as illusions, poisons, auras, stat reduction, and similar abilities, as well as barriers, defenses, traps, areas of effect, containment areas, guarding areas, and similar, can all be overpowered by 3x reiatsu strength superiority (or in the case of defensive powers such as Zeruel's statue stance, 3x offensive power superiority), or 2 class superiority (in the case of status effects), by default, with or without being stated in an ability. This means a reiatsu strength which has 3x superiority to either the reiatsu strength or spiritual pressure of the opponent, depending on which is the currently in use offensive stat. This is true of all powers which are status effect powers or special defensive powers, such as mental manipulation, assault on stats, poison, Enma's "solid," Rave's Bankai borders, etc. Note that Class 0 techniques are the exception to this rule. This 3x superiority to break effects cannot be used by anyone of inferior class.

NOT RULES




UNCONFIRMED RULES (PENDING)

[Zeruel Moreno de Las Noches IX]

Zou actually told me that Zeruel's statue stance would be overpowered by 4x reiatsu strength. We worked that out together... Also, I've given prerequisites for overpowering Rave's stuff too. I don't know what you mean by Rave's barriers since he doesn't have any barriers. Why am I being used as examples for both of these?

[Marcelius]

Sooooo, Marc's Emotion shifting? Can that be overpowered if the target has Reiatsu Strength x3 Greater than his own? Or did I read the wording wrong?

[Zeich Yajuu]

You're correct, Marc.

As for Zeruel's statue stance, I'll re-confirm that with Zou.

And Kento, stop editing things in and post normally, stop making me look like the bad guy. DX<

[Zeruel Moreno de Las Noches IX]

Jan 29, 2014 10:21:42 GMT -5 Zeich Yajuu said:

As for Zeruel's statue stance, I'll re-confirm that with Zou.

Take a look at Statue Stance's drawbacks and tell me what about it is overpowered. I've already had to go back once after it has been approved and put proper limits on it. I don't think further tweaking is necessary as it has already been approved with a reiatsu overpower drawback. If you still thinkthere are issues I will talk to Zou myself. I'm capable of taking the initiative in this regard and there's really no need for you to butt in where you aren't needed. I'd rather you leave my characters to me and people it concerns.

[Zou ۞]

I believe that it's worth noting that statue stance and Rave's Bankai parameters, which are clearly what would be indicated by "barriers," are BOTH extremely good examples, hence why they were probably used by the mods to explain the ruling. My character was also used, if you'll observe. That said, Rave and Zeruel are great examples because Zeruel's statue stance claims to make him impossible to damage, while attacking Rave's Bankai borders would typically elicit a response from you such as them stopping the momentum of the attack and reflecting it back. These are being stated as examples of things which can be overpowered.

And, yes. Perhaps unclarified, but following the reform act, which is also when we established a few changes to reiatsu strength clashes (such as weapon breaking and Kido clash, etc), this became a rule.

Essentially, as they have been labeled, status effects.

A power such as Marc's, Aramis's, Hokori's, Myza's, Kuroi's, etc. Anything which drops your stats, tries to command you with illusions, tries to control you in any way, or any similar degradation style effects which could be considered our site's equivalent of status effects. These would ALL be possible to overcome with three times the reiatsu strength of the user or a two class superiority advantage. This is the blanket all rule which justifies being stronger with superior class, or which utterly negates stupidly built powers which might state that you need an exact skill in order to counter it, or an exact stat in order to counter it, but does not specify anything else. Class and reiatsu strength, the most commonly utilized elements behind a character's power, therefore have a blanket rule for overpowering things.

That being said, Kento mentioned another kind of clash, that being a clash with attack vs special effect defense. In this case, take Zeruel's statue stance. Originally, yes, Zeruel's statue stance required 4x, and this is mentioned in the ability itself. That said, since the reform act, this blanket rule, which I clearly should have made more clear, was established in order to mitigate abilities which were basically overpowered in that no one could create any sort of counter. Zeruel's statue stance might seem as if it can be overpowered, but think of this. Someone at the exact same level as Zeruel, meaning one who is his absolute equal, can still only hit 3000 reiatsu strength even. And yet they could not beat his statue stance. As a result of the changes established during the reform act, 3x is the suitable, blanket number which can contest any other written effects anywhere. This extends to Zeruel's statue stance, to Rave attempting to redirect things with his Bankai's borders, to attacking the interior of Kuroi's domes, to breaking Enma's red property of "solid." Etc. This applies however not only to reiatsu strength, but as a result of the big 8, applies to any offensive stat power. A 3x strength superiority over Enma's reiatsu strength with a physical attack would take down his "solid" property. Likewise, a 3x spiritual pressure superiority with a Zanpakuto attack would bring down Rave's Bankai wall. That's the ruling that you guys are trying to figure out. There are a few case by case exceptions, but we'll get to those when we come to it.

That said, the main exception is class 0 techniques. These cannot be overpowered except by other class 0 techniques. Stats are irrelevant before something which is class 0. If it is class 0, it must be overpowered as well by that which is class 0. If it states that it is impossible to guard against, it truly is impossible to guard against, short of doing so with another class 0 technique of equal or superior power. Class 0 illusions or similar cannot be overturned except by characters who are class 0, if such an extension is stated in the power. Now, what would and wouldn't pass when you actually submit it varies, but that's a general thing. Class 0 techniques generally exhibit a tremendous strength which can overrule the above rulings. Not always. But oftentimes. That clear it all up?

[Rio Demonliogalgo]

Is reiatsu strength the ONLY stat involved in these? Ie. If a character's primary offensive stat is Spirit Pressure, for example, for these status effects, is the result still primarily determined by the 3x RS? Or would it be 3x RS vs that character's offensive stat (or just 3x their "primary" stat vs the character's offensive stat)?


Also, on the note of Aramis will this also effect Revenant's abilities when NOT targeting an individual? Ie. If Aramis cuts a boulder and renders the boulder undetectable, will superior RS see right through that illusion?

[Zou ۞]

For status effects, yes. Reiatsu strength is the sole determinant. For non-target abilities, the victim must knowingly and deliberately attempt to overpower it.

[Zeruel Moreno de Las Noches IX]

The thing with Rave's bankai is that it requires only x2 Rave's reiatsu strength in order to ignore the effects of it. Can I change that to x3 in this case then or are we JUST nerfing?

"Another thing that Rave is incapable of controlling with his abilities are people with reiatsu strengths more than double his. At this ungodly level, people are simply too strong for him to deal with and they can essentially ignore the effects of his zanpakutou. This does not go for their reiatsu based attacks however since they are merely output from a strong body of reiatsu and not the source of such power themselves. This allows Rave to defend against attacks from strong kidou users or powerful arrancar, but his offense is severely hindered by this handicap."


^Quote from Rave's Overall Ability

[Zou ۞]

If there's a previously stated limitation beneath, leave it as is. This blanket rule applies to anything that was unspecified. Besides, you're saying that you can't control the momentum of the people with said reiatsu strength (2x), but this doesn't go for their reiatsu based attacks. So, while 2x might be the level at which a person's superior sword can stop your power, you have no specification on Kido. So, right now, Kido would beat your power with 3x reiatsu strength as well. This isn't something to apply to all powers. This means when grading, I will still expect people to craft limitations and the like in their powers. This blanket rule is ONLY just in case. For any power that lacks one for whatever reason, or any powers that were balanced without one anyway.

Also, note for staff: The 3x reiatsu strength thing for anti status effect should not work if the person trying to do it is inferior in class by 2+. It's worth adding that in.