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[Shade Kawada]

I didn't think I was exploiting anything. Besides, I didn't run 100 yards, it was a sonido... Two different things entirely... And as you stated, all the effects you mentioned could be triggered by a mere 100 degrees. This temperature is very liveable for a certain amount of time, uncomfortable as it may be... Also, make your own little awesome table thingy... IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO ACTUALLY BACK UP YOUR POINTS!!!

[Jin Yamada]

A table is pointless and a waste of time. I have a life.

Nov 6, 2011 11:17:12 GMT -5 Cierro Muerte said:

In the blink of an eye Cierro was directly in front of Jin. His form had changed to his normal resurreccion appearance and the bount would now be able to feel his arrancar reiatsu clearly.

There is no indication of a sonido being used here.

Nov 6, 2011 11:17:12 GMT -5 Cierro Muerte said:

But that wasn’t all. Cierro used a sonido which propelled him faster than anything Jin would even hope to comprehend (Stat Speed of 11,700). The espada’s step brought him behind Jin as he delivered a punch directly into the man’s defenseless back.

The sonido was stated to have been used after Cierro first appeared in front of Jin. An attack was made before it was stated a sonido was used. So if Cierro had indeed used sonido to get to Jin, that meant he used sonido twice since it's stated he used one to get behind Jin to hit him in the back after Cierro's tail lashed out at him from the front. However, two sonido couldn't have been used since only 100 reiatsu was deducted, the amount for only one sonido. How do I know this? Because the Reiatsu count goes from -200 to -300 after Resurreccion fades. Meaning only 100 reiatsu was used up in that one post.

As for your argument about the 100 degrees, there's no way the temperature could only be 100 degrees in an area 4.4 times less than the normal size Jin usually has his heat spread out to. Compacting to a smaller area increases the heat's effect. I said it had to be over 100 to cause those effects, not that it was 100. It definitely couldn't be only 100 degrees to cause the effects I stated instantly. They would have simply occurred over time had it only been 100 degrees. But, since the point of the heat spreading out around the field is to incapacitate the opponent, it would be a pretty weak ability if it only increased the heat to slightly uncomfortable liveable conditions. Plus, you're forgetting about the reiatsu strength fact the Ad-Gin stated in this thread earlier.

Oct 21, 2011 19:26:32 GMT -5 Zou ۞ said:

It's not that reiatsu strength increases the heat. It's that it allows it to deliver faster effect. With a stronger power, Hitze should be able to increase temperature faster, cover more ground, and make a bigger attack when blasting stuff.

Jin's reiatsu strength is as I said before, more than double that of Cierro's. His heat is going to deliver the effects stated much faster than you think it will. Then, Cierro ran at his full speed across 100 yards, which is physical exertion. In the kind of heat Hitze surrounded that area with, his muscles are going to overheat under such stress. Plus, even if you did use Sonido, the Ad-Gin himself said that using a sonido would speed up Cierro's stamina drain.

I don't feel like putting points down and having them ignored, so I'll let the Ad-Gin make his decision. Also as a sidenote, you're using the ellipses wrong.

[Cierro Muerte]

alright, so only one sonido was used, my table still has a valid argument. You never said the temperature until I had already made my move, so it was up to assumption by me because I'm not about to go back and research all your threads and guess what your temperature might be. That's your job.

But, since the point of the heat spreading out around the field is to incapacitate the opponent, it would be a pretty weak ability if it only increased the heat to slightly uncomfortable liveable conditions.

Yeah, you're right, it would be a pretty weak ability. The only thing is that it's NOT an ability. It's just your doll, doing absolutely nothing. It's just kinda chillin' there. Your ABILITIES are listed under your doll techniques and your 20 allowed technique slots. This isn't an ability as much as it is simply a side-effect of your release being present.

Also, Zou told me to make a table outlining the points I wanted to make so I did... This was the prerequisite to get my points across.


But I digress, would you be a dear and answer these questions honestly?

1. Did you expect me to know that the arena was 500 degrees hot before you'd even stated that?

2. What made you go back and do more research? Did you change your mind about how hot you needed it to be midway through?

3. Why did you withhold necessary information and leave interpretation of your post up to me if you were going to get buttsore about it later?

[Hiro Shinaki]

Zouma forgive me for this

This topic is locked till a zouma has a ruling. i have read this topic completely and all of the points are made so as i sated before this is locked till Zouma has a ruling.

[Zou ۞]

Side note: It's actually the doll's raw power. The "raw control" aspect of the doll, I suppose.

My decision:

Here's where Jazz is right:

• Moving like that in the heat is bad.
  
• Normally, Cierro should be unconscious by now.
  
• His reiatsu strength does make it quite crushing
  

Here's where Heki is right:

• Jazz failed to state the exact temperature
  
• The post time given was misleading
  
• Heki shouldn't have been assumed to have known this crap.
  

So, here's my verdict for you guys.

Since technically Jazz is right about what would happen, but Heki's right in that Jazz didn't properly state temperature/effect time, I'm proposing that you guys go back and rewind. Delete the posts all the way back to the post which first stated temperature. Restate that post with temperature included. Have a do-over starting from that point onward.

Basically, you guys get to redo your actions, with this entire argument and whatnot in mind.

Fair?

[Jin Yamada]

Yeah, I'm fine with that.

[Cierro Muerte]

Works for me