Microscopic warfare, Hollow Tech

[Valentin Acciai]

Technique Name: [Spore Cloud]

Class: [7,4,3]

Technique Type: [Hollow]

Usable By (Technique is available to which races?): [Hollow]

Technique Element: [Organic]

Technique Description and Effects (Explain appearance, powers, and effect): Using this Technique Valentin can expel large quantities of spores from his mouth when he exhales which can form a dense smokescreen of said spores, his remote controlled spikes are also capable of exhaling spores but said spikes would expire right afterwards if used in such a manner and can only be used in such a fashion of they have yet to strike an organic target as access to the gases of the air is vital to it's spread. The spores can remain active for 20 minutes and greatly impedes sight due to it's thickness and blurrs reiatsu signatures greatly as the whole cloud radiates reiatsu. Additionally when in a clash of OS Valentin's RS is used to signify the potency of the spores. at Class 7 the spores are innocuous, meaning that they are harmless and when used at base cost Valentin or a spike can create a 5 meter radius of spores around the point of exhalation although the range can be increased if more Reiatsu is payed ex: double radius for double reiatsu cost.

When used at Class 4 it works much the same however the spores exhaled are active and if breathed in said spores will attach themselves to a target's insides and infest them, each breath counting as if the target had been penetrated by two of Valentin's spikes but causing no direct harm. This however would act as a foothold for him to use other abilities that usually require a target to have been infested by one of his spikes. Lastly if used at Class 3 rather than breathe out more spores all previously exhaled spores instantly becomes active and rather than needing to be breathed will infect targets within the cloud by simple touch at a rate of 2 spikes if temporarily in the cloud and 5 if a full turn inside. The Spores would also be bumped up to Class 3.

How to use technique (How is it activated?): [Exhale large quantity of thick spores that form a smokescreen from Valentin's mouth with him in center of the radius, Remote controlled spikes can use this ability once before expiring to similar effect.]

Technique Drawbacks (Limitations, repercussions for use, etc) (Costly alternative to using Living Spike Shots, easily destroyed or interrupted/blow away by area of effect abilities (especially elemental powers such as fire and ice which kills the sensitive spores). Smokescreen can work against Valentin too. If one has at least 100 Energy Sensory one can tell apart the different shines of the various classes of spores and also tell more closely where others might be hiding within it. 

Incantation and Effect:

Made By:
Valentin Acciai

Reserved? (Yes/No) (Can others use your technique, or just your character?): [Yes]

[☾ Aevus | Umbra ☽]

I have no problems with this technique except for the fact that it uses Valentin's HE as the offensive stat. if you change that to RS, it'll have my 1/2.

[Valentin Acciai]

Edited, a pity though. Thought i would be able to use HE as it wasn't used as an OS but merely a defense from an OS.

[☾ Aevus | Umbra ☽]

1/2

[Zeich Yajuu]

I would remove the remote controlled spikes having spore clouds bit; that's an addendum to another technique hidden in this one. If you want to update the other one, you're welcome to submit it properly, but having a separate technique create spore clouds when this is focused on your own breathing out spores is a no-go.

Remove the bit about the spikes (and submit that for update, if you'd like) and I'll be happy to give a second approval. I like where you're going with this.

[Valentin Acciai]

I'll have to disagree with this bit, as Living Spike Shots is a technique that works as a conduit for many other techniques it is not something i can alter or it would suddenly have a preposterously many properties in one tech, it is a delivery system for Valentin's abilities and that's all. I already possess other techniques that can be used directly from Valentin or on his spikes so it would be strange to suddenly break the pattern here.

With what you're saying i could simply remove the breath attack and make it spike release only, and since the spikes are on Valentin's body and could even be shot out of his mouth for a minute reiatsu fee he could release it from his position anyways with no tactical difference than using it from the mouth at all. Using it from the mouth is in essence just a cool factor with no actual difference from using it with the spikes, it just looks better in writing which i would say is the most important thing.

[Zeich Yajuu]

The thing is, those other techniques ONLY used the spikes, and were based on them. If you want to make it just a spike update, that's one thing, but as it is you're effectively getting two techniques in one: a spore cloud breath for close range, and a launchable spike with spore clouds for long range. I don't disagree with your point, but at the same time that's two very different versions of the technique. I think it would probably be best if you just made it spike-only rather than a breath, as you suggested. I can accept it at that.

With the number of abilities that are coming with your spikes, you may want to consider adding a drawback to such techniques in the future to reduce stacking of abilities. This is to avoid too much comboing within a single technique that is essentially several free shots per post; I mean, right now, you could make parasitic spikes to drain Reiatsu, store your extra "brain" to avoid death, and now create spore clouds either outside or within the body to create more "spikes," and currently there is nothing written that says you can't do all three within one post. While it's not a major issue, it's just something you may want to keep in mind for the future, as it may have an influence on grading.

[Valentin Acciai]

Valentin can heal without piercing himself with his own spikes so that's untrue, also he can create that extra brain inside of himself without any spikes. And please understand what you're asking, you're telling me to get two techs which do the same thing in practice except one can only be used in close range while the other can be close and long range, making a separate tech for the close ranged part would be utterly redundant and wasteful on both my TTP and my slots.

As for the spikes if Val uses a spike for healing purposes it becomes a tissue that fuses to flesh which is only able to heal, a parasite becomes a sticky organic blob in the wound that can only drain reiatsu (and he can only ever use one of these per target). Once a spike is given a purpose there is no going back, they don't multitask. For a combo to occur a target would have to get hit by multiple spikes and people rarely allow themselves to get hit a bunch, especially by a projectile as slow as 600 speed.

Lastly about causing the spores from within the body, that was a flaw of mine as i rewrote this tech after losing it earlier, i had written that the spike version of this tech could only be used if the spike had not penetrated a target, ill edit that.

[Zeich Yajuu]

First off, tone. Don't appreciate it.

Second, yes, you could take it as me asking for two separate techniques. My suggestion, however, was that you can just make a single technique that ONLY alters your spikes, as you yourself suggested, and drop the cloud. Who says the spikes have to be long-ranged? Firing point-blank is very much a thing, and it won't be "redundant and wasteful," as you're still adding one technique.

That being said, there was nothing to indicate that the spikes could not change or use multiple tasks, hence why I was asking in the future that it be indicated as such. I can only work with what is written, and as it is written, there is nothing saying that they cannot have multiple effects. If that is the case, adding a small clause should hardly be an issue, correct?

[Valentin Acciai]

if you think i'm talking to you with tone just because i'm disagreeing with you then you are mistaken, and saying that i'm using tone feels like an attempt to paint me in the wrong, which i am now admittedly pointing at you. As for my earlier suggestion, no that's not what i want from the tech it was a mere show of how little of a difference that it would make if the breath was removed, other than make what could be a cool tech to use less cool. Cinematically what has more impact? a couple of spikes shot forth to expell a smokescreen or the hollow itself opening it's jaw to vanish behind the spores it exhales.

I do not understand your stubborness with not allowing such a small thing which is inferior to the spikes, it's not op in any way or form just narratively useful. And no i wont be editing other techs over your worries, i have just confirmed to you that once the spike's purpose is decided it cannot be changed and i am the only one who needs to enforce that. No extra modwork over minute details needed so long as i keep my integrity on that.

[Zeich Yajuu]

Choice of words, not disagreement, presents tone, but I'm not going to make an argument over that. If it was not your intent, I'll concede that point, and I apologize if I took offense over what was not intended as such.

I won't argue cinematics, as we apparently have two very separate opinions on this, but my point will remain. If this continues to have the effect of two techniques in one--which it does, as one affects your spikes and another creates spores--then I will have to deny it until they are either separated or this is made into the effects of a single technique.

As for my stubbornness, the same statement goes your way. It would be easy to edit Living Spike Shots to include a line stating "when altered with a technique, a spike takes on the ability granted by that technique, but cannot be altered further," which would then save you the trouble of having to edit each and every technique and will even save you having to make similar clauses in the future. You claim that it's not necessary based on "your integrity," so if your integrity is so sound, why would it be a problem to make the edit? I see no reason that "minute details" shouldn't require a mod's attention, especially given that you already have an almost entirely costless ability in Living Spikes Shots, which is a minute detail that should have been caught at the time of grading. Things like that slip by, which is why moderator review should be thorough and inclusive. In this case, it is a safety measure to ensure that such an issue doesn't pop up. For example, it is possible to forget aspects of your power - see the number of things that have accidentally gotten dropped on Dark's CIUs because he's forgotten something. It's not an attack on your honesty, it's an assurance that it won't happen even as an accident. In this case, all I'm asking for is a single line that will take all of ten seconds to edit in and bam, assurance guaranteed. It is not a difficult nor time-consuming change, so I see no reason that it cannot be done.

[Valentin Acciai]

all the technique does is create spores, in both versions of it. What we're disagreeing on is if it counts as one technique or two for it to have more than one way of being used which is something most of my already accepted techniques can do due to the function of his spikes. Living Spike Shots was already created as the basis for other techniques to use it as a medium to increase Valentin's range, the spike is literally a hard shelled pod of organic goop that has the components to become anything he needs it to.

if i go to make the clarification edit/CIU for Living Spike Shots to include the bit you added will you go ahead and approve it quick? my issue with going back to make small edits is that mods are often busy enough as it is and the wait can get pretty frustrating to me.

[Zeich Yajuu]

I would like to say that I've taken some time to step back and think this over a bit more after my initial grading, and after some thought I actually will withdraw my objection to it being both the spores and the spikes. I may have been overthinking it in the end. So I will go ahead and give this my 2/2.

As for Living Spike Shots, if you just want to add the clause here I can edit your profile and add it in on the spot since it doesn't change the technique, merely adds a disclaimer.

[Valentin Acciai]

sure you can go ahead and edit it in, and thanks for backtracking and looking it over again.

[Zeich Yajuu]

Done, and as stated, 2/2'd, so you're good.