Types, Types, Types, Types.

[Tsajara Dread]

So because I've actually gotten attatched to these types

Type: Recluse

Description: These Types of individuals are the type to keep to themselves. Scientists, Librarians, Hermits, or even monks individuals who spend little time outside, let alone with other people. Because of this their physical bodies have somewhat deteriorated, but the spirit is still quite strong. While these individuals may not be very sociable, they can be incredibly powerful! Not only do they have a strong spirit, but they often know more about themselves than most, resulting in a powerful connection with their powers. Individuals of this type often have strange or weird powers.

Advantage:

All Levels: Because of all of the time they spend on their own, these individuals tend to be very skilled in at least one respect. As such, they can have two Specialty skills. These skills are considered one SKP higher than they actually are (Meaning that if it is at 3 without this bonus, one only needs one more SKP to bring it to 4 instead of 2, this does not allow the individual to ignore the rank restrictions for 4 in skills). These specialty skills cannot be Bodily skills or Martial practices.

Level 1: Increase one non-physical stat by 50% (100 becomes 150), and another Stat by 40% (100 becomes 140).

Level 2: Increase one non-physical stat by 80% (100 becomes 180), and another Stat by 40% (100 becomes 140), and a Third by 25% (100 becomes 125).

Level 3: Increase one non-physical stat by 100% (100 becomes 200), and another Stat by 80% (100 becomes 180) and a Third by 25% (100 becomes 125).

Level 4: Increase one non-physical stat by 120% (100 becomes 220), and another Stat by 80% (100 becomes 180) and a Third by 50% (100 becomes 150).


Disadvantage:

All Levels: Because of how little they use their physical bodies, recluses spend twice as many SKP in order to increase their skills in any Body skills or Martial arts. Additionally they have one physical stat reduced by 45%, another non-boosted stat decreases by 40% (Cannot be HE).

Race Restrictions: Available to All Races

Initial Weapons: One Start Weapon (i.e. one Zanpaktou, one Doll, etc)



Type: Zealot

Description: This individual has an ABSOLUTE devotion to a higher power. Whether the object of their worship is some god, the soul king himself, or just another RPC. These individuals have dedicated SO much of their life to this life or entity that their very soul has convinced itself that their every power relies on their belief in this individual. Because of this, these individuals carry with them an item of incredible importance called their Focus. This focus is the source of their belief and abilities. Not only is this focus a source of power, but also a source of DEPENDENCE. Individuals of this type have such a strong fixation on their object of obsession because they cannot function otherwise. Either through some deep-seated need for direction or simply by virtue of not knowing what to do with themselves otherwise, these individuals lack the ability to function normally without this focus.

Advantage:
All Levels: This individual has a STRONG connection to an entity. Whether they are real or not to begin with is irrelevant, if they were not, then they come into existence by sheer belief alone. Their very soul crafts them into an NPC (which will never partake in combat) but will serve as the focal point for the individuals' beliefs. Either way, the object of their devotion can instantly be made aware of the Zealot's thoughts when they are prayed to, and can even project telepathic response. In this way, the Zealot and the idol of their worship can never truly be kept apart. Prayer is carried out though the user's Focus, and by channeling reiatsu into this focus through prayer, they can release at a higher state in the name of their object of worship (This bonus only applies to the level of release being used, if the user enters a higher state of release after the fact, the bonuses are lost unless the Focus has been charged a second time).

Level 1: Increase one stat by 25% (100 becomes 125). Additionally, the user can funnel reiatsu into their focus through prayer, up to 100 reiatsu per post. After channeling at least 300 reiatsu into their focus, they can use up this reiatsu ontop of the reiatsu for a release, while released in this manner, the users stats are all increased by 10% after type for the duration of the release.

Level 2: Increase one stat by 50% (100 becomes 150). Additionally, the user can funnel reiatsu into their focus through prayer, up to 150 reiatsu per post. After channeling at least 600 reiatsu into their focus, they can use up this reiatsu ontop of the reiatsu for a release, while released in this manner, the users stats are all increased by 25% after type for the duration of the release.

Level 3: Increase one stat by 75% (100 becomes 175). Additionally, the user can funnel reiatsu into their focus through prayer, up to 200 reiatsu per post. After channeling at least 1000 reiatsu into their focus, they can use up this reiatsu ontop of the reiatsu for a release, while released in this manner, the users stats are all increased by 40% after type for the duration of the release.

Level 4: Increase one stat by 100% (100 becomes 200). Additionally, the user can funnel reiatsu into their focus through prayer, up to 300 reiatsu per post. After channeling at least 1600 reiatsu into their focus, they can use up this reiatsu ontop of the reiatsu for a release, while released in this manner, the users stats are all increased by 50% after type for the duration of the release.

Disadvantage:

All Levels: If at any point the user's Focus is destroyed, they lose the reiatsu channeled into their Focus as well as any other benefits the focus provides.

Level 1: Two Physical or Reiatsu Stats decreased by 45% and do not increase via Focused Release, Release duration decreased by 50% (rounded down).

Level 2: Two Physical or Reiatsu stats decreased by 55% and do not increase via Focused Release, Release duration decreased by 50% (rounded down).

Level 3: Two Physical or Reiatsu stats decreased by 65% and do not increase via Focused Release, Release duration decreased by 50% (rounded down).

Level 4: Two Physical or Reiatsu stats decreased by 70% and do not increase via Focused Release, Release duration decreased by 50% (rounded down).

Race Restrictions: Available to All Races, except Beast Clan, Hollows, Bounts, Mod Souls, Failures, and Hason.

Initial Weapons: One Start Weapon (i.e. one Zanpaktou, one Doll, etc)

[Beast]

We have tried -very- hard to remove Personality requirements from most types. Clown moved to Spirited so they weren't required to goof off, etc.

For that reason, I feel that Zealot is hard to create.

I also think Recluse's boosts are too strong. It's a stronger stat boost than Leader Type, allows even a Rank 1 to get a 4 in a skill, and has equal or lesser drawbacks than Leader Type.

I do really like Recluse's unique drawback, though.

[Tsajara Dread]

Alright, so the Recluse type has had sharper disadvantages, ontop of it's tech drawback.

I've bumped Zealot's disadvantages up as well, in anticiaption of the removed personality disadvantages... but I'm not sure what to replace it with.. I feel it NEEDS a special disadvantage and I really like the idea of someone worshiping the soul king or the Emperor, or the Xcution leader.

Any ideas?

[Wycliff]

So first off I'm always down for more spiritual types, however as I know types are hard to pass given how hard it is to come up with a new idea that fills a role that isn't already done better or isn't done because of abuse. The biggest thing that people often miss with types is how the drawbacks don't actually match up with the type it's self or actually don't hinder the type all that much.

For Recluse, I personally fail to see how limiting physical techs really affects this sort of type. This is a spiritual type, no one is going to be taking this and dropping massive points into strength or speed(say to counter the cuts) so limiting them learning a physical tech, that they wouldn't have learned either way isn't that big of a drawback. Secondly limiting physical techs all together isn't that much of a drawback given that there aren't that many high end physical techs and those that are class one or zero(if we even have any) have high physical or speed requirements that this type could never reach.  There is a massive boost to spirituals with a small cut to only physical stats. This means that someone can get away with only using a max of 500 SP to cover the biggest drawback this type has and still gain huge boosts. Now mind you I do like the idea of the second selected stat being stronger at the end, but this seems like a stronger version of spirited with less hindering drawbacks from my point of view.


Zealot: (Caesar, and every Vreich) Jokes aside, idea wise this is a very unique type, and shows more promise than recluse in my personal opinion, however  there needs to be more definition on a real flaw.  I mean if we are going to talk about Zealot's Hidan from Naruto comes to mind. A flaw for his god is that he must kill for his god, that doesn't seem like a big hindrance when his job is to kill. What sort of flaws are we talking about here? Flaws that limit the character socially? or something that actually hinders them fighting? Either way personally I am not a big fan of having flaws be the main drawback on a type. Heck a Vandenreich could easily abuse this type and be a zealot for the emperor and have their flaws revolve around bringing more people into the Vreich and killing those that oppose the Vreich. Which wouldn't really hinder the character at all nor would it cause them to ever face the drawback. Which is another thing that bothers me about this type, the drawback for the most part can be avoided very easily if a character is built smart or in such a way that they never break their flaws no matter what they do. Which seems like a no no for types. The drawback should be something that is constantly there or can happen very often. IE SSV or genius, the flaw breaking part is too situational and in most cases people will be smart enough to avoid it.  The physical cuts are also very heavy, but seem a bit lack luster when the spiritual and ES stats are boosted so high.

Honestly I love Zealot more than recluse, I think that has more potential than the first one, but it needs some work and it needs to have a more defined term on what a flaw that is acceptable.

[Tsajara Dread]

Much as I hate to admit, the drawback for Zealot is not something feasably enforcible. So I've added a mild personality quirk, in line with Freak or Lunatic. In line with that, I've revamped the stat drops.
And not just with Zealot.

Both Zealot and Recluse have had the drawbacks, AND the boosts adjusted, based on similarly boosted physicals (Namely brave for Recluse and fighter(and Spirited) for Zealot).

[Zeich Yajuu]

*counts* 6 to 4... that's "far" more types? Especially since you didn't take into consideration mixed Types and how they can cover a large variety of bases. Soldier (pick one), Genius (physical or spiritual), Freak (both!), Fighter v2 (Also both!), Soul Specialist v1 (physical or spiritual), Support (Any two). And then there's some borderline cases like Cunning (boost sensories and spirituals) which could theoretically push into the "spiritual" category. And if we want to go into it, there's also Struggler (both!) and as a less appropriate example but still one despite its scarcity, Leader (free choice).

So that's 9 types additionally that can go into "spiritual" builds, seven if you exclude the rank-locked ones of Leader and Genius. I don't see any lack of spiritual types, only types that people want custom fitted to themselves.


Now that I've said my part on that, onto my actual thoughts on the Types.

Recluse is just a buffed Spirited; better overall boosts, reduced sensory cuts, and their only cost is a physical drop and a slightly slowed physical tech learning, which you wouldn't be taking if you were this Type anyway due to dumped strength, so it's not a drawback at all. The only thing that really suffers here at all is step techniques, and after Class 4 or so, that drawback is pretty much no longer there. This just feels like a min-maxed spirituals up with no physical concentration.

Comparison: Spirited gains +25/50/100/150% Spirituals. Recluse gains (35/50)/(60/100)/(85/150)/(100/200). So at every level you're gaining more than the primary spirited Type, whose very TYPE NAME is about spirited. Spirited has (-30/-30/-30)/(-35/-35/-35)/(-50/-50/-50)/(-50/-50/-50) Senses/Instinct/ES, while Recluse has all of -30% Instinct flat. The Strength/Speed cuts don't require a lot of investment thanks to the fact you only need minimum 25 STR (which means no more than ~40 SP with the higher cut) and with Step techniques, even a few Classes later (and that doesn't apply to say, Shinigami, who automatically get theirs on creation regardless of Class), the speed cut doesn't really hurt you.

Oh, and let's throw in the "you can hit a 4 in a skill at Class 2/Rank 2 instead of having to be Rank 3, which is usually a Class 1 character." Getting a 4 a rank and class early? Nuh-uh.

I can't pass Recluse in any way as it is. It's a completely min/max spiritual build with very minimum drawbacks compared to the primary spiritual type.

I'll review Zealot after work.

[Tsajara Dread]

I got the gist from Zeich, I understand that we got a lot of good spirituals. But truth be told I REALLY liked the idea behind these types and decided to keep at them.

Also for NOW I kinda shoved beast clan out of Zealot because... thats usually the case for big statty types like this, but like... they have REALLY low sppr to begin with, so like.. the reiatsu required to activate the focus would be a lot for them. Let me know if you think BC should be included by sheer fact that it would be a lot of their reiatsu unless they specced into sppr.

[Zeich Yajuu]

Recluse seems now absolutely pointless, and though it offers flexibility as both a spiritual, sensory, and healing Type, its bonuses are so weak that every other type pretty much trounces it. Not being able to even have a doubled offensive stat as well as having Instinct and both physicals taxed notably? I can assure you that this is going to get next to no attention.

Zealot isn't a Type, it's a personality. It's an obsession. A Type is the kind of person you're naturally predisposed to be; Recluse is a good example, because you're the type of person with low confidence and a general wall-flower attitude. This is something that can be completely natural; people can be shy or uncomfortable around others without having a specific reason for it. They could just overthink things and expect the worst, even without experience. Zealotry is a learned habit, a mental trait that's gained from focusing so hard on something through training, instruction, or massive crisis leading you to fixate on this object.

[Tsajara Dread]

Dec 17, 2016 20:27:34 GMT -5 Tsajara Dread said:

You do bring up a good point. I've added a bit more, as well... the MAIN thing about this kind of person is that theyre probably a very versatile person. This type is mildly inspired by individuals like Mayuri and Szayel. These are people who hide away and try to think about every way to overcome their opponent. So versatility trumps outstanding power. And actually the second boost goes past double at rank 3+. I hit the deductions a little and boosted the boosts. let me know if I went too far. But I disagree about it getting attention.

And hm... I do see what you mean. So would it be safe to say that the type as a whole would be scrapped?
Though I do disagree about it not being a type of person. Zealot is the kinda person who cannot function without something to latch onto. The kinda people that believe everything and anything theyre told by someone of a 'higher power' because they NEED something to tell them what to do with their lives. I could elaborate a bit on the type's description? After all thats what the type is about, Without that idol of fixation, they essentially lose their guide and are almost useless.

Some new changes made, I'm gonna strike Zealot for now, but I am still gonna try to push Recluse :L

[Santa Ajora]

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