The Quick Learners

[Kisala Shihoin]

Hey guess, I had an idea for a type a few nights ago and took some time to think about it. Please note that all these numbers and mechanics are the base idea, and are completely subjected to change. Please leave comments about what you think, how to improve it, or any questions that i may be able to answer.


Type: Quick Learner



Description:

These are the people that can quickly grasp concepts from the simple to the complex. They can lean things at an increased rate than most other people this can allow for great specialists or general knowledge.



Advantage:

Level 1: If a specialist is chosen, increase physical or spiritual stats by 25%, and TTP cost of none release techs by 5% If Generalist is chosen, decrease TTP cost by 10%



Level 2: If specialist is chosen, increase physical or spiritual stats by 50% and decrease TTP cost by 10%. If generalist is chosen decrease TTP cost by 20%



Level 3: If a specialist is chosen, increase physical or spiritual stats by 75%, and TTP cost of none release techs by 15% If Generalist is chosen, decrease TTP cost by 35%



Level 4: If a specialist is chosen, increase physical or spiritual stats by 100%, and TTP cost of none release techs by 25% If Generalist is chosen, decrease TTP cost by 50%



Disadvantage:

All Levels: If either physical or spiritual specialist is choses, then only those types of abilities can be learned. Spiritual specialists can only learn reitsu based attacks and physical specialists can only learn martial techs. In addition, specialist half the stats that did not gain a boost. Those of this type are not the most skilled in the world despite their quick ability to learn. They do not gain any additional SKP from completing posts. Beast Clan cannot take the spiritual specialist, and Failures cannot take physical specialist.



Race Restrictions: All races



Initial Money: 1000 Ryo



Initial Weapons: One weapon, doll etc.

[Douma]

I kinda like the behind this type. My only suggestion is keeping Failures and Beastclan from taking it because failures won't learn martial techs anyway and beastclansmen don't have the ability to learn reiatsu-based techniques like Kido. Oh, and I think you'd be able to increase percentages off of TP costs. Reducing costs for generalists by 20% at level 1, 40% at level 2, 50% at level 3, and 75% at level 4 may be better, since a 20% reduction really isn't a much, especially for rank 4. Those could be reduced so that they cap at 50% for a specialist.

[Amagai Kuchiki]

I agree with ZK, the TTP reduction thing needs to be increased for Generalists. Also, if there is a stat buff from a type (Specialists), especially a multiple stat buff, there needs to be a stat cut. While the SKP locking is a pretty sizable weakness, the fact that Physical Specialist is a Fighter type without cuts, reeks of abusability to me.

[Kisala Shihoin]

If you mean cutting other stats, I have that before the skills clause that whichever stats did not get a boost gets cut. If you mean something else could you please clarify?

[Amagai Kuchiki]

I missed that line, nevermind that comment.

[Douma]

So, mods, does this type look feesable? Tbh, it seems like a great type for TT characters to take so they don't divert too much of their TP on techs and more on classing up and raising stats. It's fairly unique, though I don't see it getting used much for higher level characters unless you're me and like to replace techs in your already full build on a regular basis.

[Kisala Shihoin]

I have increased the TTP discount and addressed both BCs and Failures. I do want to ask if you all think that if adding more tech slots would be pushing it too far. I am happy with it as is, but is sort of feels like one of those that would do that.

[Deleted]

I'm just gonna be me and ask; What purpose does this type serve? It comes off as a Training Tier type, one to be used until you can CiU into a better type...but then what does this type hold over Soldier? It's coming off as a new variation of Lazy Genius, but here's my opinion on it; I don't think this type will pass as is. I'm just not sure why.

[Zeich Yajuu]

Perhaps I'm a bit jaded because I remember Lazy Genius and its exploits, but I'm not fond of point-increasing Types, whether it's TTP or CTP. While this is less viable for abuse (having to be within one level of a Class means that you can't just learn all of your techs at Class 8 and then CiU over), there are still a few things to consider.

Additionally, I don't like a type that has to make a choice between two paths, as that makes this more like a pair of Types, not a singular one. Specialist definitely seems iffy, being a two-stat bonus and a TTP cut. While the halving of all stats is painful, I just can't see it. Example, I can't see someone who specializes their physical body to not have decent senses, or someone who focuses on their mental/spiritual senses to not be able to sense energy well.

As it is, this to me seems a bit exploitable still. There's nothing to stop someone from doing a Class 1 Power Tier generalist, grabbing all of their techs in a very short go, and then CiUing over with the excuse of "they decided to stop generalizing and look, revealed they're a genius!"

So yeah... I am on the fence but I'm leaning towards no at the moment.

[Deleted]

I have not been around for the lazy genius thing so I am afraid that is lost to me, but I can work you to make this better. The thought behind this type was going off of the Skilled type. I know that there are people that are unusually skilled at a task or tasks in general, I thought that there are people that are better at learning things then necessarily doing them. Where learning is less of an effort to some one. Again I am looking to make this type workable on the site though its about fifty fifty in terms of usability and abuse warranting. What would y'all suggest i do to make it better? That is what I am looking for. This is just the base idea and can be completely overhauled if enough problems are pointed out.

[Deleted]

To be honest, "people who are better at learning" really just sounds like prodigy to me. If I were you, I'd seperate generalist and specialist. Maybe do two different types. Generalist and Specialist sound better as a type than Quick Learner anyway. As it is, generalist seems very weak compared to specialist, considering specialist still gets a TTP decrease, AND stat boosts. To me, it seems like the type would take a considerable amount of reworking to be passed as it is, the main thing it seems to do is the TTP reduction, which, as you said is a TTP version of skilled. The difference between this and skilled I think, is that skilled is much more difficult to exploit due to losing the extra SKP when changing types. You CAN'T use that method with TTP, the best you could do would be techniques learned via this method would be lowered from whatever level they are at (Master, proficient) to learned, and even then it still doesn't sound easily done to me.

That's just my opinion of course, I don't mean to discourage you in any way, just stating my reason for why I tend to believe that this would be difficult to accomplish.

[☾ Aevus | Umbra ☽]

In my opinion this feels like a nice starting type for those that are just starting. But again it feels also like an exploit in the system. By that I mean, what will stop others from just switching to this type to learn techniques etc? It makes it good for low classes in the beginning. But later on someone could just potentially just switch to this type to learn higher level techniques with zero drawbacks upon doing so. Perhaps limit what types can switch to this, similar to other types on this forum or make a cap when you can switch to it. So we don't have every class 1 switching to it to just learn techniques faster.

[Deleted]

We could do like we did for Strugglers and make it so you can't change into it, and start it out at training tier

[Jo Veil]

To be perfectly honest, I don't even like it as a low-level type. If you go generalist, you get Untyped (which is fantastic at low levels because of the utter lack of stat cuts) with a discount on techs. Sure, I can see why people would like that. But just because it's liked doesn't mean it's a good idea to have. Allow me to demonstrate.

Let's say we're using a Quick Learner Quincy, power tiered to Class 4. You pick up your free stepping tech upon entering via creation, and have access to your First Level Bow. Now, let's say you level this Quincy To Class 3, getting Willpower, Blut, Hoehle Schneide, and three Class 4 Energy Generate techs along the way. The total TP you need for this? 2500 to Class up, and 666 TTP to fully master each tech you learned (Factoring the extra you'd have to pay for Blut and Willpower as they're Class 3 techs.) The amount that any other type would have to pay? 740 TTP, and 2500 CTP. Now, I know the 74 CTP doesn't seem like much. But that's another 37 SP, or perhaps even more intimidating, another Class 3 tech. What's worse, this is without factoring in Races that have -more- to get, like Arrancar or Shinigami.

What's more, this type immediately begins to benefit you as soon as you switch out of it. You see that drawback that says "You don't gain SKP from threads?" Guess what you immediately gain upon switching away from this type? What's more, you're actually ahead of the grinding game by a small margin thanks to the discounts you go, actually giving you a leg up over those who Power Tiered with other types. This isn't even taking into account the boost you'll have in comparison to your other Training Tiers if you went that route instead. And, of course, this does not take into account the higher benefits you would get from being high level. In short, while not as bad as Lazy Genius, it still has a game-the-system sort of smell to me that I find... Not so good.