Fake-Ass Update: More Techniques/Races

[Zeich Yajuu]

Abyssal Cross - Honestly, this definitely needs to be toned down - normally a Class 1 property would get some leeway on power, but when you're not only emulating but surpassing the original race's main abilities at equal Class, I gotta say no. Any copy should inherently be weaker than the original, or else have a severe drawback. You've got better costs for the same Class (200 for a Class 1 every 6 posts, essentially 400 for a whole thread on average, vs 500 for a Class 1 that also includes a 25% regeneration cut), better arrows (25 Reiatsu for Class 1 vs 70 for Class 1), better arrow self-destruct (25 Reiatsu for a Class 1 arrow to explode compared to 70 Reiatsu for a Vandenreich). Your only drawbacks are not having Reiatsu regeneration that you don't have anyway (as opposed to Quincy losing a portion of what they already have), and mild Hollow poisoning on contact (compared to Quincy taking actual acidic damage from contact).


Piranha - Needs a per-post cost per fired arrow if they're going to be perpetual and able to pursue.


Ocean Mites - Again, per-post cost for an independent agent. Also they shouldn't have free Stealth points, imo; if they're small, that's fine, but arbitrarily assigning skills to a technique is questionable at best. Additionally, if they are independent, they need their own sensory stats.


Pressure of the Deep - per-post cost needed. Auras are not "turn on and go," they need to be maintained. Additionally, these cuts are way too severe; a Shunpo at 250 would be enough to hit the max-tier penalty, meaning that anyone with an average-ish speed using a step technique suddenly loses 75% of their stats for a post. I can't pass such massive nerfs at all. Also, a 210-300 foot radius? While at Class 1 that's generally fine, combined with such a massive stat loss, I gotta deny this.


Chasm Angel - immediately denied. While I know it's not the same as actual Vollstandig, you actually surpass it yet again. For one thing - you have a set 6-post duration. For a Vollstandig user to hit 6 posts, they'd have to be at 7000 Reiatsu and spend 3500 of it, minimum. You do so for a relatively reduced cost, with only a minimum requirement of 500 + halved. Assuming you use it at ~1000 Reiatsu, you could get a massive stat boost for only 750 Reiatsu, and just fight technique-less with either +25% to all stats, +50%/25% to a few stats, or doubling in two stats. More expensive than Gate, sure, but you also get the benefits of reduced costs for your abilities and generally reduced drawbacks compared to a Vollstandig.

[“Mizu Tsuraiko" Orina]

Allriteh. Let's get to work.


First and foremost, for Abyssal Cross. Well yea the cost is pretty low as she's paying for a thing that most quincy do not: Forming her bow. This technique determines her basic emulation of a quincy using a standard bow and arrow. This is not 200 per 6 posts vs a Quincy's Class 1 property of 500. This is a 200 reiatsu cost per 6 posts emulating what costs a Quincy nothing to do. Yes they need to pay that 500 to generate a SPECIAL bow if that's one of their Bow Form techniques, but that is not the case with Abyssal cross. So she is already paying more than a normal quincy as this is a bread and butter bow.
However, if this is not enough of a drawback, then I will also bump the Arrow cost up to 70 (Changes have been edited in).

Piranha - Added that the arrows only last for 2 posts max. If this is not significant enough then we can work on this (Changes edited in)


Ocean Mites - Similar to Pirahna, these have been given a post duration. 2 posts, increasing to 4 if they latch onto a target (if theyr eleeching reiatsu they would last a bit longer). If this is not acceptable let me know and I will change it. (Changes edited in)

Pressure of the Deep - Included a per-post cost of 100 reiatsu per target whenever her ability is actually making something sick. (Changes edited in). If this is not enough, then let me know and I will adjust.
The Criteria for hitting the Sickness levels has been adjusted, not only ate the prerequisite speeds lower, but the reduction ammounts are adjusted as well. The highest tier has been adjusted so that only a speed-boost typed shunpo (Or a really really fast special step tech) will trigger it.

Chasm Angel - The boosts have been severely reduced so that even if she is pumping all of the boost into only 2 stats, they will still fall short of an actual vollstanding (40%). With this reduction, the duration has also been reduced to 4 posts, only rising to 6 if she spends a total of 2000 reiatsu to pull it off Changes edited in). If this is not sufficient then I can increase the cost of it? Or I can snip the ability cost reduction while it is active.

[Zeich Yajuu]

I hate to be That Guy, especially since you did work really well with me on this and the changes are generally better, but after a discussion among the staff members, this has now been ruled Denied.

The reasoning for this is that you are emulating entire racial abilities. I get that it's Orina's thing, emulating other things to fool and later surprise targets. But we've been pretty firm on not copying racial abilities in the past, and we're going to stand by that. You are essentially making a Quincy without making a Quincy here, and though it's a slightly reduced one, you're essentially copying the race without being it. The point of having different races is for them to stand apart, not for a single character to change between them, even at the cost of tech slots.

I get this may impact Orina a lot going forward, and you're welcome to appeal this in general, but this is the current staff decision on the matter at the moment. If you would like, you're welcome to open up a general PM, and discuss this further with the staff.

[“Mizu Tsuraiko" Orina]

That;s perfectly fine. Admittedly this is a LOT closer to quincy release than her Fake Zanpaku'to, which is just a blade with an ability that's disguised as an overall. I really did kinda get ahead of myself with the mechanical stuff as I will confess that I absolutely may have been compensating for my inability to make a new quincy.

SO, I'm fine with not making ACTUAL properties. Would it be agreeable if I just scrubbed the property nonsense, and made a bow with like say.... a single ability to it? So essentially just Abyssal cross, removing most of the emulating nonsense and mechanics, and say just giving her the fish arrows?

[Zeich Yajuu]

If it's just a conjured weapon with stylized ammunition, I've got no problem.

[“Mizu Tsuraiko" Orina]

Abyssal cross has been significantly simplified to essentially be quincy-flavored summoning.
I also kept Pressure of the deep and removed the property bits because....well it's more or less just an AoE ability and may as well just be another hollow tech.

[Zeich Yajuu]

High in two OS is a no-go for your arrows, especially since you have one tied to your OS and the other with a high static OS. Pick either RS or Strength, please. Otherwise, Abyssal Cross looks fine.

I'm still iffy on Pressure, given it gives fairly large cuts over potentially multiple posts. The thresholds are a bit better, but it's still pretty heavily punishing given it cuts *five* stats for an entire post whenever triggered. This needs better resists or less severe cuts, because cutting so many stats at once is a little overkill.

[“Mizu Tsuraiko" Orina]

Dropped RS to 0 with Sppr and tied her os to their strength instead of rs.

And I've removed Speed and ES from the cuts in Pressure of the Deep

[Zeich Yajuu]

Alright, I think I can give these a 1/2 for now. Still a teeny bit iffy on Pressure, but it's better to see it in practice first.

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Gancho Del Quincy: Cruzar Abisal (Quincy Hook: Abyssal Cross)

Reduce the stats of the fish arrows to 100, then they can increase to 150 when they smell blood. Reduce the speed of the fish to 500. These aren’t real arrows so they shouldn’t be perfectly imitating the speed of a real arrow.

Presión de lo Profundo ( Pressure of the Deep)

Increase the price to 800. A Class 1 Technique that punishes Step usage with stat reductions is a powerful ability, and thus should be incredibly expensive as you yourself put. Increase maintenance cost to 200 a post.

Once you make these changes I’ll give my 2/2

[“Mizu Tsuraiko" Orina]

The arrows are already inferior to quoncy arrows in speed, but a paltry 500? Considering how bananas expensive the technique is. I understood when the ability was a closer emulation but its really just a weapon spawn and projectile firing. And shes super not a quincy so that 500 reiatsu every couple posts is hefty as it were. If we’re going to be chopping the capabilities of the fish that much when they only last an extra post anyways, woupd it be agreeable to chip the cost down? Those statistics are class 2 level at best, if you insist on the drops then might I ask to drop the class of the arrows down to 2 and the cost to 300 per 4 posts.

Changes to pressure of the deep applied

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Quincy arrows are 700 Speed. Being the same speed as a normal arrow doesn't make them inferior to speed. But factoring in the cost, I'll let you keep them at 700 Speed and let the Fishes keep their current senses and sensory boost. In return, change the upkeep cost to 500 Reiatsu every 3 posts.

[“Mizu Tsuraiko" Orina]

Is that in addition to the 50 reiatsu per shot? (I also apologize. I was under the impression that quincy arrows still moved at 800 speed so I was mistaken. If you don't mind me asking, where is the new speed listed?)

[Deleted]

Yes ma'am, in addition to the 50 reiatsu.

[Shizuka Sanamizu ✮]

Hey TV! It doesn't seem like this has been approved yet, but it's been a month with no response from you. I'm going to archive this for now, but if you'd like to continue it, just respond to Ray with the changes made and re-report it!